Hi,
thank you for your answer, hebbe.

I wasn´t sure if the Agrofarm had separate tanks.


Genauso an Honsjerg.

Wieder ein Stückschen schlauer.


Gruß
Stefan

Thanks IHC-steven and thanks to ALL others who kindly answer the frustrating Swede that never will be really satisfied with his tractor ...

Here's a bit more enjoyable movie when I testing a Väderstad Rapid 300C after my Agrofarm 100. It goes really well and is the Agrofarm just warm it will be absolutely no smoke!

Gruß
Herbert

hebbe hat geschrieben:Thanks IHC-steven and thanks to ALL others who kindly answer the frustrating Swede that never will be really satisfied with his tractor ...

Here's a bit more enjoyable movie when I testing a Väderstad Rapid 300C after my Agrofarm 100. It goes really well and is the Agrofarm just warm it will be absolutely no smoke!

Vielen Dank an alle, Sie sind sehr freundlich dass Sie Antwort auf meine frustrierende Beiträge…

Hier ist ein schönerer Film auf meiner Agrofarm: Väderstad Rapid 300C Es geht gut und ist der Agrofarm wirklich heiß Rauch ist auch nichts!

Gruß
Herbert

@ hebbe

The Agrofarm has a Deutz engine, hasn't it?

Yes,
the smoke was motor oil. It came in from the broken turbo. The turbo was not more than 450 hours. I make an analysis of the engine oil at 350 hours and it showed elevated levels of iron, chromium and copper. But there was no one who could guess that it was the turbo: http://www.youtube.com/v/dXCKZSz29uY&hl

This must be a very good way to not sell any tractors at all, who wants: STAYING IN THE BACK ???
http://www.deutz-fahr.com/UNITEDKINGDOM ... product=54

Oh my god! It looks as if you didn't have any luck when you bought your tractor. At least the Deutz engine is a criterion for reliabilty.
At landtreff.de there is another user who has a lot of problems with his Case tractor. Seems as if the producers don't put too much effort
in constructing reliable small tractors. They sell it under their name but indeed these are tractors which simply got a new colour.

Yes, now that my fine Deutz engine also starts to get errors, I wonder if it ever will be a proper tractor.

One thing that works well is that my seller’s workshop is very fast. The new turbo (BorgWarner / Schwitzer) came after just one day from DF Germany and the next morning it was back in place!

I think you know how to use a turbo-enginge correctly. You shouldn't stop the engine immediately after hard work, but I think you just have very bad luck
That's a very bad situation, I am really sorry for you.

I want to add that we have an Agrotron and we haven't yet had any problem (hopefully we will never have any problem). And I can't imagine that all Agrofarm are the same like yours.

Have you ever tried to give back your tractor? I think there should be a law which gives you the possibility to give back a product when there is always the same problem (which still exists after having been repaired two (or three?) times).
Try to mention that all the users at landtreff.de can read your problems

Weiß eigentlich von den anderen jemand, ob man den Agrofarm wandeln lassen kann? Immerhin ist das Ding ja nur kaputt, da muss doch was zu machen sein.

I've had some turbocharged engines in the past and they and the Deutz has always been at idle for several minutes before they are stopped.

I have checked out the possibility of returning such a tractor, but in Sweden It had to be much serious errors on the machines if that’s should be possible.

It’s said that Deutzengines with common rail technology has even more problems with overheating of the turbocharger. I have seen a newer Fendt with the same symptoms as for me, a few months ago but then I could not imagine that there was something that was about to break down.

I also have a theory that if you buy a tractor for perhaps 100 000 EUR, far from everyone tell all of landtreff.de that it has already been broken. It is rather a high dark figure for the normal tractor user!

I mean, it is obvious that all the tractors have their problems. But it is still a matter of treatment to keep an engine "alive"
Not always, of course, but when I see some people misusing their tractors I don't wonder why they sooner or later have a more or less
expensive repair on it.

I know many farmers but anybody of them has ever had any serious problem (mostly Fendt Vario 800 and Deutz Fahr Agrotron).
But you are right, we will never really know all about the tractors' reliability. And because of the quick development (emission levels may be
a big problem) engines are more and more tested by the user. There is hardly any time for the producers to test it for a long time.
Aditionally, the technology is more and more pushed towards the limit. 360 hp out of 7.1 litres. Twenty years ago, nobody would have
believed that something like that is possible.

In my case you should also remember that the Swedish Deutz-Fahr importer has made a very unprofessional upward revision of the power. This has probably resulted in the overheating turbo crash (wrong injection timing). I will send the “engine control” Heinzmann, the mechanical governor, to a firm that set it up with right equipment, its cost 100 EUR.

That's another problem: technology often is too complicated for mechanics to really understand how to repair/adjust it correctly.

Hebbe,

by reading all this I can't belive that you would go for an Agrofarm again or even Deutz-Fahr at all. Given what your have been through now, what would you do diffrent next time?

a) no Agrofarm/Deutz anymore
b) by in Germany and Import in Sweden
c) or are you in general ok with the traction, size and performance despite your technical issues?

I'm intrested in buying one but now after reading your story I'm not sure anymore.

Regards
Westerwälder

I was a little surprised the first day when I picked up the tractor from the seller. Then he said directly that I would have a notebook, lying in the tractor, so I could write down the errors as they occurred ... The idea was probably that they would fix "everything" rationally for the first 100 hours service but the tractor did not work so long!
The rear powerlifting arms stopped working after 75 hours. And then it has continued, but some of the most serious errors are probably not errors in the production. The tractor has both been at the Swedish importer's workshop and my local DF workshop. They have each made a pair of real thunder misses with the hydraulics and the engines power settings.
To some extent it may be due to very poor support information from Italy, Germany and the Swedish importer and in the end it has become that you have read here!

Then we have the specifications which are not correct. Noise level is much higher than the 74 dBA that are listed. The tank runs out after 120 liters instead of 150-160 liters. And the low power on the P.T.O. These are cheats that you can not defend and it describes a bit about what you really get when you buy a Deutz-Fahr I think.
This together with all the small and large errors would discourage all and I would never buy myself an Italian made Deutz-Fahr. What I know now, it would probably have been even worse if I had bought it directly from Germany, UK or Italian (4000-4500 EUR cheaper). In such circumstances it should be used tractors, without guarantee!

Otherwise it’s a nice tractor to drive (when it works) and it fits me perfectly in size

Westerwälder, you are from Florida, can you describe in other words Deutz-Fahr promotional gimmick:
THE AGROFARM: THE SIMPLEST WAY OF STAYING IN THE BACK
I do not understand the positive phrase in it My English is a bit rusty!

Regards Herbert